Pharmacists Don’t Get Paid: DIR Edition

In This Episode

New legislation affecting drug costs has prompted us to invite our first guest in many weeks!

On today's podcast, fellow pharmacist Benjamin Jolley joins Neal and Daena to explain the DIR system.

He breaks down how DIR payments are figured out, and how we can work to improve them.

Plus, Neal offers some musings on weight loss and the latest in off-the-wall doctors the president trusts more than Dr. Fauci.

Topics Discussed

  • Demon semen video
  • Herman Cain died
  • Weight loss and being social
  • What are DIRs
  • Can the system be more equitable
  • Overcharging at time of copay
  • How to change this system for the better

All About Benjamin Jolley

Benjamin has worked in independent community pharmacies since 2004, in nearly every role, from delivery driver to pharmacist.

He loves working with people one-on-one to help them get their pharmacy lives sorted.

He's implemented a medication synchronization program at two pharmacies and has been student liaison to a national pharmacy society's steering committee.

Benjamin has also toured the country working at some of the highest performing community pharmacies.

He believes that community pharmacy can be a powerful force to achieve the triple aim of healthcare, and offers one on one consulting with pharmacies to understand effective rate contracts (GER, BER, DFER) and DIR.


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About Dr. Neal Smoller

Dr. Neal Smoller is a holistic pharmacist, supplement expert, and founder of Woodstock Vitamins. Dr. Neal’s mission is to challenge the natural products industry, redefining holistic care and setting the standard for supplement quality. His methods and products are backed by real science, and with them, he builds and supports his customers’ lifelong wellness strategies.

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